Comments on: Dangerous Drinks: The Whiskey Sour https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/ You can make these cocktails. Start right now. Sat, 14 Apr 2018 21:18:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-111361 Sat, 14 Apr 2018 21:18:50 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-111361 In reply to V. Alex.

First, I apologize for missing your comment when it first arrived.

Bitters in sours: I agree, hardly anyone makes a sour with bitters, particularly if the sours are in the usual whiskey sour / Daiquiri / Margarita type category. I certainly don’t, and the reason, as I see it, is that the sour is about a completely different flavor profile, with emphasis on the careful balance of citrus and sweetener, rather than on spices, as with the Old Fashioned. It’s not that adding bitters doesn’t make an interesting drink, I just don’t think of it as a sour, and there isn’t a lot of history that would change my mind.

That said, there is the glaring contradiction of the Pisco Sour, although I’ve always suspected that the main thing about bitters in that drink has as much to do with decorating the egg foam as with managing the drink’s flavor profile. There’s also the Trinidad Sour, and at the extreme end of the spectrum, the idiosyncratic Angostura Sour, waiting to call BS on any anti-bitters theory we can come up with…

Lemon peel in sours: I’m with you there. I like to add to lemon peel into the shake, too, and for the same reason—it seems to add a richness and brightness to the drink. I don’t know why it isn’t a regular part of making the drink, nor apparently has it ever been. From a bar management point of view, I would guess it could be a hassle if you squeeze up a lot of juice at the beginning of a shift, then have to take care of a lot of half-mashed lemon peels for the rest of the day. I’m glad you asked, I can’t believe I’ve never asked a bartender about that before. Thanks!

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By: V. Alex https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-110797 Thu, 01 Feb 2018 20:54:44 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-110797 Hello Doug, have just found your article while I was searching the web for an answer on “why do some people put bitters into whiskey sour”. I used to work as a bartender in a nightclub and whiskey sour was my all time favorite drink to enjoy after (or sometimes during ;)) the shift. We didn’t have a large selection of whiskeys, maybe 5 or 6 brands, and somehow Jack Daniels Old No7 was the one I preferred the most for making whisky sours. Probably because it’s not too mild in its taste and has some distinct notes to it. We didn’t use eggs or egg-whites for the preparation of drinks in the club, so I am talking about the simple version of this cocktail. Everyone I knew from our bartenders-team did the whisky sour without Angostura or any other kind of bitters until one new guy joined our team and was insisting on making whisky sour with Angostura because “it’s the right way” (in truth, it’s just how he learned it at his bartender courses). To be honest, I’ve never been to a bar yet, where they would serve me a whisky sour with bitters in it and I find it correct, because adding bitters changes the perception of this drink. To my mind the bitters disturb the individual fine notes in the taste of the whiskeys. However, it could theoretically be a nice touch in the case when you’re using a less fragrant or lower quality whisky…

Anyway, another thing I wanted to share is: why almost no recipes or videos on making whisky sour talk about adding the lemon peel into the shaker apart from the main ingredients? I found this to be quite crucial, ’cause it’s like baking anything with lemons: you can add lemon juice into the dow, but it will never be anywhere near as fragrant and lemony as when you add lemon peel to it ’cause it contains all the fragrant essential oils. My trick has always been to add one well-squeezed lemon wedge (1/12-1/8 of a lemon) into the shaker (thus we let the essential oils out) before shaking the ingredients with ice. IMO it adds quite something to the taste and makes it more “fresh”. Try it!

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-109173 Fri, 21 Jul 2017 02:25:43 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-109173 In reply to ethan meyer.

Thanks, Ethan

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By: ethan meyer https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-109172 Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:38:54 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-109172 In reply to Doug Ford.

yes, I do. It was actually an accident the first time. I liked it enough to recreate it.

Great blog by the way.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-109102 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:47:54 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-109102 In reply to ethan meyer.

Fermented cherry sour cherry juice, nice touch. Thanks for that idea. Do you ferment it yourself?

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By: ethan meyer https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-109099 Wed, 12 Jul 2017 05:30:47 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-109099 whiskey sour (or my own personal version of it) is my go-to drink these days. I typically make mine with rye without egg white. I add a dash of bitters (except when I forget) and I finish mine with a splash of fermented sour cherry juice that I make. It makes for a beautiful presentation in a rocks glass.

On a really hot day, I will serve it in a tall glass with a splash of soda, as per your ward 8 entry.

As a side note, fermented cherry juice floats on top and unfermented sinks to the bottom.

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By: Whiskey Sours and Embittered Last Words: the Paper Plane Cocktail | Ποδήλατο καφέ - podilato caffè- (bicicletta caffè, bicycle cafe, bisiklet kahve, bicicleta café, café vélo, قهوه دوچرخه , 自行車咖啡, бицикл кафа https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-108256 Sun, 04 Dec 2016 05:43:16 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-108256 […] first cocktail I learned to make was the Whiskey Sour. I made it with Scotch, which was a very poor choice, but I was just out of college and didn’t […]

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By: Whiskey Sours and Embittered Last Words: the Paper Plane Cocktail – Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-108249 Sat, 03 Dec 2016 20:52:22 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-108249 […] first cocktail I learned to make was the Whiskey Sour. I made it with Scotch, which was a very poor choice, but I was just out of college and […]

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-108024 Wed, 07 Sep 2016 15:43:50 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-108024 In reply to Mike Sanborn.

I suspect everyone has bittered a sour from time to time. And it does make an interesting cocktail. Technically not a sour, so I’ve wondered what category to put it in?

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By: Mike Sanborn https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-108011 Tue, 06 Sep 2016 06:06:15 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-108011 It’s interesting that it’s intended to be unbittered. I have taken to making mine with 2 dashes of Bokers bitters in the tin, and then 3 drops of Angostura on top of the foam for both color and aroma. It’s in my opinion a superb whiskey sour. And since I’m making it for myself the egg white is always included.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-107912 Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:20:12 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-107912 In reply to Glaiza.

…and real women, too. You’re right, it’s a fine drink for a hot summer day.

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By: Glaiza https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-107910 Fri, 22 Jul 2016 14:05:44 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-107910 Real men drink whiskey, but even real men enjoy something refreshing, cool and delicious on a hot summer’s day; enter the whiskey sour. This is what I always see on board. Well, it makes good sense to all men out there to drink moderately each time.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-104486 Fri, 16 Oct 2015 21:40:33 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-104486 In reply to charlie.

Excellent. I can taste it now… Thanks!

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By: charlie https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-104440 Fri, 16 Oct 2015 07:17:31 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-104440 i love these, been making them at work without the egg, and at home i always put the egg it makes it so much better, a good bourbon or rye nothing cheap, fresh lemon juice, i make the simple syrup fresh with raw sugar, and the egg to take it over the top.

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By: Another Round of Whiskey Sours: the Ward 8 Cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-100213 Tue, 28 Jul 2015 22:18:16 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-100213 […] Dale Degroff follows this path (The Essential Cocktail, 2008). His Ward 8 looks like a standard whiskey sour with a splash of grenadine—a very good drink, but it seems to stray from the historic […]

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-96650 Wed, 25 Mar 2015 01:26:32 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-96650 In reply to Carl Tornell.

Lime juice. Interesting. And unconventional. I’ll give it a try, thanks.

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By: Carl Tornell https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-96649 Tue, 24 Mar 2015 22:40:32 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-96649 Hi Doug,

A barman in the Italian alps once served me a sour made with bourbon and lime juice garnished with mint leaves. Let me just say that I’ve drunk it many time since. It’s worth a try.

Carl

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By: Bill Rowland https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-96289 Sun, 22 Feb 2015 02:18:37 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-96289 Doug,

I really enjoyed this post, as I’m experimenting with this tonight as snow falls in Philadelphia. The addition of the egg white is a big improvement. Also, we’re looking at scaling back the lemon too.

Cheers!

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-78588 Sat, 05 Apr 2014 02:47:09 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-78588 In reply to Ash.

yup

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By: Ash https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-78579 Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:21:01 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-78579 In reply to Doug Ford.

With Scotch it would not be a Mark Twain?

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By: The Last Word with an Asterisk: variations on a classic cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-77962 Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:25:18 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-77962 […] all, if you squint at the Final Ward recipe just right, you can sort of see the Whiskey Sour shining through. Perhaps Final Ward is to the Whiskey Sour as Sazerac is to the Whiskey Old […]

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By: The Gold Rush Cocktail | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-77128 Sat, 15 Mar 2014 22:54:00 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-77128 […] hard to believe that such an obvious variant of the whiskey sour is a recent discovery, but it seems the Gold Rush only goes back to around 2000. Jim Meehan (PDT […]

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By: 15 minute post #2 | in my backyard https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-76174 Sun, 23 Feb 2014 04:51:54 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-76174 […] I celebrated our 28th wedding anniversary yesterday; we went to a local restaurant and I discovered whiskey sours…and like the dude states, they are dangerous. I had two of these, two too […]

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By: The Old Cuban Cocktail | https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-39966 Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:05:01 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-39966 […] drinks seem to follow the classic sours pattern for me—whiskey sour, Daiquiri, Pegu Club, Aviation, and so forth—and now the Old Cuban has certainly joined the short […]

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By: Punching out with the Founding Fathers | Cold Glass https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-2780 Tue, 10 Jul 2012 23:34:55 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-2780 […] you can see, the distance from a great Punch to the whiskey sour, the Daiquiri, or the Tom Collins is vanishingly small. One difference from the modern cocktail […]

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By: beyondanomie https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-1596 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:56:49 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-1596 In reply to Doug Ford.

Being lazy, I must admit I buy it ready-made…

*ducks* :)

It does definitely add a bit of the “silkyness” into a drink that I think the egg white would otherwise do.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-1594 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:55:20 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-1594 In reply to beyondanomie.

That would simplify the making, and would solve a problem for people who don’t want to use raw egg whites.

Well, someday, someday, I will actually make gomme syrup…

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By: beyondanomie https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-1593 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:13:31 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-1593 Definitely an easy drink to like, these. I’m not generally a huge whisky fan, but the lemon in a sour balances it beautifully. I find that if you use gomme syrup rather than plain syrup in sours, you can skip egg white. Probably not quite the same (I haven’t experimented) but it seems to work somewhat.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-1592 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:11:40 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-1592 In reply to IJ Lauer.

Funny you should mention the Fitzgerald, it’s on my short list of Cocktails to Try.

Adding Angostura to the Whiskey Sour does result in a very pleasant drink. It must have a name, but so far I haven’t found it. CocktailDB shows something called the “Palmer” which goes down that path, sort of (no sweetener, oof.) And there’s the Buster Brown, which adds orange bitters instead of Angostura. Surely there’s something with a better name than “Whiskey Sour, and Put Some Bitters In It.”

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2011/12/21/dangerous-drinks-the-whiskey-sour/#comment-1591 Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:54:08 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=2996#comment-1591 In reply to melsenpai.

What a delightful idea, have fun!

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