Comments on: Is the Manhattan too sweet for you? Try the Lafayette Cocktail https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/ You can make these cocktails. Start right now. Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:56:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-111554 Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:56:59 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-111554 In reply to Nick.

Thanks, Nick. I agree, it’s not a really strong argument, perhaps not defensible at all. But it does make the Lafayette drinkable, where a standard dry vermouth just doesn’t seem to work. I’m still with Embury and his “something wrong, something not quite satisfactory” judgment. I recommend that people try it both ways, and see what works.

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By: Nick https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-111553 Sat, 02 Jun 2018 19:36:37 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-111553 Definitely not the same cocktail with ‘blanc’ or ‘bianco’ Vermouth. It may be absolutely delicious, but it would be appropriate to rename it. Embury’s reference to ‘French’ Vermouth is most definitely indicating ‘dry’ vermouth, without a doubt.

Based on your argument, you could’ve just used Dolin Rouge because it is French. Also, similar brix to the Blanc, just minus caramel coloring.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-110378 Wed, 06 Dec 2017 19:39:18 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-110378 In reply to Paul Ilechko.

I recall coming across the Bensonhurst some years ago, and somehow just forgot about it, maybe because I couldn’t find Cynar in those days. This time I’ll give it a try, thanks.

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By: Paul Ilechko https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-110349 Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:58:32 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-110349 If you like a drier version of the Manhattan, the Brooklyn and its many variants are always worth a try. There’s one called the Bensonhurst that calls for 2 oz rye whiskey, 1 oz dry vermouth, ⅓ oz Maraschino liqueur and 1 bar-spoon Cynar. I didn’t have Cynar when I tried it, so I used Averna instead, and it was quite excellent. I used Noilly Prat, and it seemed to blend very nicely with the other ingredients. I don’t think you would want a bianco vermouth here, not with the maraschino providing the sweetness.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-4280 Mon, 22 Oct 2012 17:56:26 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-4280 In reply to Torgny.

I agree, I’d like to know who did this drink up first—or at least, who gave it prominence. It would be interesting to find the story, but it seems to be lost…

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By: Torgny https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-4278 Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:53:40 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-4278 The Franco-American ingredient list, the British reference, and the dates involved lead me to believe that the drink probably has has more to do with the Lafayette Escadrille, the World War I French Air Service escadrille composed largely of American volunteer pilots flying French fighter planes (named, of course, after the the Marquis de Lafayette, so I suppose the reference is there indirectly). Of course I don’t know of any way to confirm that idea either, though it would be interesting to discover the actual source for this drink.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-4078 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:46:00 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-4078 In reply to msilverz.

It’s fun to learn that readers found a new cocktail to try, thanks for letting me know. I haven’t tried the M&R Bianco for a long time, I’ll have to refamiliarize myself—thanks for the idea.

I agree about the Presidente, the Blanco is the ingredient that makes it work.

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By: msilverz https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-4077 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:39:16 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-4077 In reply to Doug Ford.

Fair enough! I’m looking forward to trying this recipe, which I’d never come across before. I suspect that I too will prefer it with blanc vermouth. Unfortunately, I can’t get Dolin where I live. The Cinzano and M&R biancos are pretty good, though. Thanks for putting this drink on my radar!

While we’re on the subject of blanc vermouth, I think it’s the key ingredient in another old reciple: El Presidente.

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By: Doug Ford https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-4076 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:25:48 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-4076 In reply to Matty.

Hi, Matty,

Sticking strictly with “dry” vermouths, I’ve made Lafayettes with M&R Extra Dry and with Noilly Prat French Dry; both worked, though the Spartan qualities of the M&R edged perilously close to Embury’s “something wrong.”

I agree that the Dolin Blanc doesn’t really qualify as a “dry” vermouth, strictly speaking. “White” it is, and “French” definitely, but its sweetness approaches that of some Italian vermouths, so “dry” — not so much.

My only defense for the Dolin Blanc is that the recipe I’m working from—Embury’s—calls for “French vermouth.” (Granted that he apparently didn’t have Dolin’s “Blanc” category to deal with, and so would likely equate “French” with “dry,” but there you have it.) I’ll change the listing to use Embury’s adjective, not the “dry” of my original posting.

Thanks for adding to the discussion here, and for reminding me to be careful with my terminology!

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By: Matty https://cold-glass.com/2012/10/15/is-the-manhattan-too-sweet-for-you-try-the-lafayette-cocktail/#comment-4056 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:53:32 +0000 http://cold-glass.com/?p=6033#comment-4056 Of course Dolin Blanc contains a hint of sweetness: it’s not a dry vermouth! Blanc or bianco vermouth is a separate category. (The Dolin line includes a proper dry vermouth, of course.) The blanc may combine well with the whiskey in this cocktail, but you should acknowledge that you’re effectively changing the recipe.

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